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Discussion Post: Emma and Clueless

About time, yeah? So, I actually watched Clueless... two weeks ago? Maria and I watched the Gwyneth Paltrow version of Emma the night before, so she could play compare and contrast with me.^^ Funny enough, when we turned the tv back on, PBS was showing their version of Emma, and we watched the last half hour of that, too.^____^ It was an Emma weekend.

Okay, so there is the elementary version of compare/contrast that consists of two lists, things similar, and things different, and then the high school version of an actual essay choosing certain points and blah, blah. I was going to aim for something rather in between (notice I've said nothing about giving it the ol' college try...) but that's why it has taken me so long to post, as I've not gotten around to doing anything more than the list I made while watching Clueless. So, here it is, the list. I will be most happy to enter into any discussion someone else feels like starting, of course.

Without further ado:

Emma = Cher

Mrs. Weston= Dionne/Miss Geist

Mr. Weston=Murray/Mr. Hall

Mr. Woodhouse=Mel Horowitz (eating issues) Not the workaholicness, though.

Mr. Knightly= Josh Vaguely related older guy who teases our heroine. And loves her.

Harriet Smith=Tai Fraser - Pretty and good person but not so bright.

Mr. Martin=Travis Birkenstock

Ms. Elton=Amber

Mr. Elton=…Elton

Frank Chruchill=Christian Stobitz - the gay thing is obviously different, but otherwise Christian is Frank to a T. Like one of the girls.^_^


Emma doesn’t want to get married, Cher doesn’t want to date a high school boy

Haiti debate, etc. Like Emma’s skewed worldview.

Portrait, photo. Alone in the car with Elton after the party.

Mighty Mighty Bosstones dance is like the ball.

Mall scene is like the gypsies.

Different thing: Tai getting popular and being mean to Travis. I suppose this is the same as Harriet going along with Emma and refusing Mr. Martin’s proposal as not being good enough, but Harriet was never mean, nor did she become more popular than Emma, ever. Or really very popular in her own right, at all.


Okay, feel free to add to the list, or argue with the list, or actually write out sentences.

If anyone has any ideas for a new read, maybe we can start something new in May. Thoughts?

Comments

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anialove
Apr. 7th, 2008 03:10 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm still not done with Emma . . . luckily, I'll be done with the semester pretty soon after May starts.

I'd say one thing I noticed immediately different with Harriet/Tai is Harriet is inherently lower class than Emma. She's illegitimate, etc. Tai seems to come from a lower class than Cher, but they now live in the same area and Tai seems to have no trouble going shopping with Cher, implying she might have equal finacial means (socioeconomic status). Her becoming more popular might reflect that change in the dynamic of the two characters' relationship.

Also, Mr. Martin is a decent catch - the dependable sort and all. Travis, while nice, is a stoner. (He does quit in the end, but I think it's a difference.) Cher has more reason to object to Travis than Emma does to object to Mr. Martin, at least in my mind.
anialove
Apr. 7th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
Reading through old entries:

I think it's also an interesting change in dynamic that in the novel, Emma won't let Frank maybe confess to liking her. In Clueless, Cher tries to seduce Christian and he doesn't let her (since he's gay).

That part of the movie confused me so much in elementary school.
mechante_fille
Apr. 9th, 2008 02:09 pm (UTC)
Ahaha, yes. Cher's feelings do seem more engaged that Emma's ever were. Though I do think that it is still more in her head than her heart, just like with Emma. She convinced herself that he was a good match, more so than actually falling for him, like she did with Josh.

Edited at 2008-04-09 02:09 pm (UTC)
mechante_fille
Apr. 9th, 2008 02:06 pm (UTC)
No worries. The discussion posts aren't going anywhere. Join in when you can.^_^

Good point about Tai's elevated status being real, and at least somewhat permanent.

I thought about him for awhile, b/c yes, Mr. Martin was always a good catch, and didn't change in the story. I think the problem, for me, with the idea that Travis had to change to be a good catch, is that there was still the aspect of Cher/Emma not being able to see what his true worth was. She claimed that Travis was not appropriate b/c of his drug use, but she also seemed to be dimissing him for other reasons. His 'immaturity' and choice of clothing, etc. And she comes to see, by the end, that his heart is good, and that is what is important, not the wrapper. And that his joy in being able to catch his own loogies is not as bad as Elton's snobbery.

As they really couldn't have a 'good guy' still be a stoner at the end of the movie, they had to clean him up. Which is a good thing, I think. The whole drug thing clouded the issues, I think. If they had just left him an immature, poorly dressed skater with a heart of gold, it would have matched better with the book, I think.

So yeah, that was different. Uh, good luck wading through my logic, yeah? *grins*
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